Well, overall the two budget deliberation meetings can be summed up with “Who’s on first?”…. “I’m confused”…. “This is very confusing” …..”Everybody is confused”. You may very well feel that way while you read through this week’s blog. In fact, I’ll be shocked if you don’t. I’m not sure if I managed to make sense of it or not. But I tried or at least will try. Hang on with both hands. I also apologise in advance if I mix up any numbers…..there were numbers getting thrown around all around me. If I’ve made any errors that need fixing, let me know, I’ll fix them no problem and no charge. I think council spent more time debating HOW to debate the budget than actually debating the budget. If you manage to read this to the end, you deserve a prize.
Tuesday November 28th — Day One 6:00 – 10:00
All members of council were in attendance. There were about 15 members of the public in attendance at the very beginning of the meeting and a lot of staff. The meeting was scheduled to start at 6:00 and finish at 10:00.
First up, were the community grant presentations. Any organisation who has registered with the town ahead of time gets go before council to ask for a monetary donation for their organisation / charity.
Councillor Fryer declared a conflict of pecuniary interest for the Rose City Gymnastics grant since his daughter works there.
Rose City Gymnastics
On the agenda, it says Tom Deslippe, General Manager, however it was a lady who addressed council. I didn’t catch her name. She asked to have the rent waived in the amount of $12,095 in order to use the Libro Centre for a gymnastics tournament. She said it’s a two year event and she hopes to be back in Amherstburg next year. She felt that the Gymnastics Tournament would be a great features and said that Councillor Fryer had been after her for years to come to Amherstburg.
Amherstburg Community Services – Kathy DiBartolomeo , Executive Director
Ms DiBartolomeo spoke about all of the wonderful services that they provide to our community, in particular our seniors.
Amherstburg Food and Fellowship Mission – Tim McAllister
Mr McAllister was not there to present.
Amherstburg Freedom Museum – Mary-Katherine Whelan, Curator/Administrator
Ms Whelan was requesting $6,500 for their historical museum that offers rich history about the experiences of the Black Culture and the Underground Railrooad.
Amherstburg Historic Sites Association-Stephanie Pouget-Papak, Curator/Administrator
Miss Pouget-Papak spoke and explained about the variety of historic sites and programming available. She was asking for $8,500 stating that visitor numbers had greatly increased, however, many came during the free admission events. She read a letter written by one of the summer students about her experience working for the Park House Museum and I almost got my wallet out and gave her a donation on the spot. It was truly an impressive presentation.
SNAP, Spay & Neuter Assist Program-Tim Stocker and Karen Lloyd
This was the first time that Mr Stocker and Ms Lloyd have asked council for a grant. They trap stray cats and then get them neutered or spayed. They said they’ve done over 140 cats in the area.
Council asked several questions of this couple, to clarify things.
Cat Assistance Team – Renee St. Pierre
This is another group that also traps stray cats and gets them spayed or neutered. They’ve done 72 feral cats so far this year. Ms St. Pierre presented a few focus areas in town. Her partner, Carla Leardi also spoke. They answered LOTS of questions from council…..lots and lots and lots (in my opinion of course). I think they talked about cats for a good 20 minutes. Let me preface this with….I am a cat lover. I have 2 that are treated like a king and queen in my house. However, I know I was tired of the cat talk. I can only imagine what any dog people in the gallery must have been thinking.
The Garrison – Leah Prentice
Ms Prentice was looking for money to do a pilot project to help with unity, equality and tolerance. I remember when she presented to council a few months back, it seemed the program was centered around nature, native peoples rituals, teachings, crafts etc. She spoke for a while about her own personal life story, however, her presentation wasn’t very specific to what The Garrison would have to offer on a “concrete” type basis. Councillor Meloche asked about the tangibles. Councillor Pouget asked a few questions about the organisation too. It seems they’ll be based out of The Fort Restaurant in the bushes, outside in the nature.
Cecidia DiBiasso – adlscholarship
I apologise if I did not get the name right or the scholarship name right. Ms DiBiasso was requesting $10,000 (over 2 years) towards a scholarship for a University of Windsor student that was a first or second generation immigrant. She presented the various criteria that would need to be met for the scholarship.
By now, it was 7:35, all the people looking for grants had presented, so council decided it was break time. So, it was break time.
Around 7:55 the meeting resumed and the discussion of how to proceed with the budget began. Brace yourselves. The discussion went on and on and on.
The Mayor suggested that council work off of page 15 of the budget, since it had all the proposed increases in a summary form. Councillor Pouget asked why they weren’t doing the budget deliberations line by line, department by department as per past practice. She also wondered how they would flip back and forth without referring to specific pages. The Mayor explained that working off of page 15 was still department by department, but it was summarised. Councillor Pouget felt that they had advertised 2 days of deliberations and a possible third and yet it seemed now that perhaps the budget would get rushed and done in one night. The CAO spoke and explained that the public had had the chance to attend the public session, to use the Talk the Burg site and also email any questions.
At this point, I looked around the gallery. There were 3 members of the public there (including me), the rest were all town staff or members of council. I take that as a sign the public really isn’t too concerned about the budget.
There was more commentary between Councillor Pouget, the CAO and the Mayor. (Personally, I kind of agreed with Councillor Pouget….the summary is written in about a 3 font size and is hard to read, going page by page is clearer, but probably longer….., well it is over 300 pages, that’s pretty long, like a novel…..)
Councillor Fryer said he liked the summary of page 15 and was okay working with that. However, he then started asking questions about the MPAC increase and what the proper and true number would be for tax increases. He felt that the residents are looking at a 4.3% increase. Mr Rousseau, the Treasurer, said that the ESTIMATED growth factor is 2.73% and has been factored in to the budget. He explained that the town can only control the mill rate, which was currently proposed at 2%. There was more discussion between Councillor Fryer, Councillor Pouget and the Treasurer around various percentages and dollar amounts. The CAO weighed in that they had provided guidance to council. (It didn’t seem like it at the moment…..what the heck ? It’s been 3 weeks with the budget in hand now…...)
Councillor Courtney then said that she can live with using page 15 as a guide to debate the budget.
Councillor Meloche then spoke about the value of homes. He felt that more homes are valued around $350,000, not the $200,000 that administration uses to give dollar figures for the tax rate. The CAO said that in fact, $200,000 is the value of the average Amherstburg home.
Now the Mayor was looking for a show of hands so that maybe, maybe, they could actually proceed and actually debate the budget. He asked for a show of hands of who was okay with using page 15 as a guide instead of going page by page, line by line. The majority were okay with that, so it was off to the races.
Dinner for volunteers
First up was the dinner for the volunteers with a dollar value of $3,300. Councillor Pouget asked who would be invited to this dinner. The CAO named the Horticultural Society, Friends of Bellevue and others. He explained that this was a new line item and that it was a good idea to recognise volunteers. This carried.
Parks and Recreation Committee
There was a $1,500 proposed increase for this committee. Councillor Pouget asked some questions and asked for a total amount of their budget. The two committees now combined was $3000 and needed an extra $1,500. Councillor Pouget asked administration for the page numbers. (instead of using page 15). Councillor Fryer wanted to use the issue papers, which are documents within the budget with the grand totals. Councillor Lavigne then expressed that they were changing from the original page 15 form and it was muddying the waters and it was confusing. (I would agree…..the room was filled with confused people….actually the room wasn’t full, but the people there were confused…..) Councillor Pouget said that she didn’t feel it was muddying the waters. She felt that the budget is one of the most important duties for councillors and expressed her dissatisfaction of not going line by line but working off of one page.
The Mayor pointed out that there was a motion on the floor for the $1,500 increase. The Treasurer then spoke and offered to bring up the departments like in the past. Councillor Lavigne seemed to lose his patience and said they should either do the budget line by line but if council uses the issue pages within the budget, then it’s a total of $4,500.
Are you following along so far???? Sorry for the confusion, it was a recurring theme.
Then the Mayor said they have to dispose of the motion on the floor before they can move on. Councillor Courtney felt it made sense to follow page 15 with the $1,500 increase. However, Councillor Fryer had worded the motion to make the total $4,500……the confusion!!!! Ugh!!! Finally, Councillor Fryer withdrew his motion about Parks and Rec Committee.
Then, Councillor Meloche made a motion to work via increases only. (i.e. page 15) This carried.
Then Councillor Courtney made the motion to increase the Park and Rec Committee $1,500. It carried.
So, here we were I did not note what time it was…….but it was confused o’clock.
I’m not going to summarise each line of the budget, my fingers may fall off if I type all of that. I’ll try to stick with the highlights. Minimise the confusion, if that’s even possible.
Grants to organisations
The Clerk suggested that council deal with each request individually.
Councillor Fryer declared a conflict of pecuniary interest for the Rose City Gymnastics grant since his daughter works there.
First up, was the Rose City Gymnastics grant of $12,095. Administration felt that the economic spin off for hosting the tournament in Amhertstburg would be big. They’re anticipating 5000 visitors plus 1000 competitors. Council had a few questions, but this carried relatively quickly. (Side note…..saw an interesting post today on Facebook……someone pointed out the double standard of raising ice rates for our local users, yet foregoing $12,095 to allow a Windsor group free use of the arena……interesting perspective…..Council cut $100,000 from the arena budget 2 years ago, now raises rates yet allows free rental ……)
Then there was a motion to give $5,000 to Amherstburg Community Services, $1,500 (I think) to the Food and Fellowship Mission, $6,500 to the Freedom Museum and $8,500 to the Historic Sites. The total for all the grants came to $33,900 so my math / notes is off somewhere, but oh well. I’m sure you get the picture.
The grants carried and represented a small decrease in the budget.
Part time committee coordinator
This current council added several new committees early in their term. Then this year, they disbanded several and combined some too.
The Mayor pointed out that this position was not included in the original numbers of the budget. The position was proposed and not approved last year either. Well, it wasn’t approved again this year. (It would have cost $29,517)
Policy Coordinator Contract
This position was going to cost $76,238. The CAO pointed out that a third of the town’s policies are outdated and need updating. Councillor Pouget did not like the cost and wanted administration to find a co-op student to do this. Councillor Fryer made a motion NOT to approve the position. There was a lot of back and forth about this. Blame got thrown around. After tons of back and forth, the motion carried and the full time policy coordinator contract was voted down.
Then, Councillor Courtney made a motion for a part-time job of the same position and this carried. (cost $38,119)
Full Time Communications Officer
The CAO explained that Amherstburg is one of the few communities that does not have a Communications Officer. He expressed concerns about the message in the community and that it’s important to deliver an accurate message and dis-spell untruths. (Is that possible in Amherstburg? Inaccurate messages and untruths helped some of our current members of council get elected…..I think…..) The CAO felt that social media is important and it’s important how the message gets delivered.
Councillor Lavigne made a motion to deny the position and Councillor Pouget seconded. (Draw your own conclusions.) Councillor Lavigne felt that council as a whole uses the mayor as a voice box, he goes to all of the events and uses social media. The Mayor thanked them and the motion carried. No Communications Officer for Amherstburg. (I can’t help but wonder if the Mayor feels alone as the “voice box”, since the other members of council extremely rarely comment on social media, if at all……same with events…..some members of council come to some, but many come to few, if any…..?)
2018 Salary and Benefit Increases
The amount was $739, 832 . Councillor Pouget wondered if any positions were new, but administration said they were all current. The non-union staff increases had been passed a few months ago. Councillor Fryer pointed out that this portion of the budget included an increase to the council compensation for 2018. (I do have to thank him for his honesty here, I would have missed it and wouldn’t have caught until later at home when I tried to go through the budget line by line…..yuck.) Anyway, they voted and it carried. After the vote, a recorded vote was requested. Don’t worry. It was unanimous. All 7 members of council voted for the pay increase.
On March 9, 2015 council had voted not to take a pay increase for four years. According to my math, four years hasn’t gone by yet. Here’s the article :
Amherstburg councillors vote for zero pay increase for next four years
Here’s a couple of interesting quotes from the article : “We’re all more than happy to take no wage increase for four years and reduce our per diem compensation,” Lavigne said.”
And another : “This council is giving their good example,” Pouget said. “And we’re not just taking a wage freeze for the next four years, what we’re doing is taking a wage deduction.”
Financial Analyst
Mr Rousseau, the Treasurer, pointed out that he has requested this position four times now in each budget. Councillor Fryer immediately made a motion NOT to approve the position. Councillor Courtney seconded. The Treasurer and the CAO pointed out that this position was a recommendation in the Deloitte Report. It seems a financial analyst looks for savings and new and more efficient ways of doing things. There was a lot of back and forth and administration was driving it home that it was a necessity. Councillor Courtney withdrew her second, but Councillor Pouget then seconded the motion. Administration continued to explain the importance, then Councillor Pouget withdrew her second. Finally, Councillor Meloche made a motion to approve the position (cost $95,644) and Deputy Mayor DiPasquale seconded. It went to a recorded vote.
In support : Councillor Courtney, Deputy Mayor DiPasquale, Councillor Lavigne, Councillor Meloche, Councillor Pouget and Mayor DiCarlo
Opposed : Councillor Fryer
By now it was almost 10:00 on Tuesday night. The meeting was scheduled to finish at 10:00. Councillor Fryer made a motion to extend the meeting until 10:15. Every one was exhausted. Every one. Council seemed to vote reluctantly to extend the meeting until 10:15.
Then, Councillor Fryer made a motion, something about accepting the next 4 items all related to the fire department (since the fire department brass were all there). Well, guess what? Nobody seconded the motion. So that was that, meeting over for Tuesday night.
Wednesday November 29th 2017
The meeting on Wednesday started at 2:00. I was unable to be there at that time, but Marc Renaud stepped in and took notes. He said he even sat in “my chair” LOL. Here are his notes :
They dealt with fire 2018 items 1 to 5, went through OK. Questions on number 2..memberships which is contractual firefighter
Fire overtime page 60. Councillor Pouget questioned the amount of overtime. The Chief explained the new health and safety trainer firefighter cut out 52 Saturdays from the budget on overtime. Motion passed
Councillor Meloche questioned the budget for fire saying it went up over $600,000 over four years. It was explained that they have additional cost related to the issues in fire.
Legislative services 137 to 145, number one to seven passed.
Council questioned the by-law part time position, then went in-camera for 45 minutes.
They came out and reported that they discussed the hundred thousand dollar cost reduction, that had been in last year’s budget.
Marc Renaud (above)
Me again now. 🙂
I arrived around 5:20. It seems council had taken a dinner break at 4:30 and was supposed to resume at 5:30……well, they finally resumed around 5:57…..
**Deputy Mayor DiPasquale was absent from Tuesday’s meeting.**
Councillor Fryer immediately made a motion to reconsider for the public works position. There were some issues and confusion about who could or could not second the motion….since it was being reconsidered. Finally, it got figured out and they voted to reconsider the motion.
Councillor Fryer then made a motion to move items 1 to 8 and number 10 for the public works department (basically, excluding the Supervisor Roads & Fleet position). Councillor Pouget seconded. Councillor Fryer then spoke about how he feels it’s not necessary to have 3 managers over 6 employees and that we need more boots on the ground doing the work rather than someone supervising. Councillor Pouget felt the position would be hard to justify to the public. There was a lot of back and forth between Councillors Fryer, Pouget and Meloche. The savings is noted as $113,408.
Then Councillor Courtney spoke and expressed how everyone had agreed about this before supper, and now they don’t. She wondered what they ate for supper. (I wonder what they discussed during supper…….seems very strange to agree to something, have dinner (together?) and then change your mind……hmmmm...)
Administration explained that it is one department but with several divisions, so it was not as clear cut as council seemed to think. They argued, they continued, it went on and on and on. Councillor Fryer felt that the town is not repairing roads all the time. The director of Engineering pointed out that the managers have multiple responsibilities, not just roads, also water, waste-water, drainage and that work is done all year long. Then it got into a debate about supervising the contractors that are hired to replace roads. The CAO pointed out that if a subcontractor has a Ministry of Labour complaint issued, they will also name the town. (Just to be clear I have over 5 pages of notes on this discussion, but man, my fingers and eyes and ears are tired……so tired…..) Anyway, it finally went to a recorded vote to approve everything except the one position (Supervisor Roads & Fleet) for Public Works.
Support : Councillor Fryer, Councillor Lavigne, Councillor Pouget
Not support : Councillor Courtney, Councillor Meloche, Mayor DiCarlo
THEN, Councillor Fryer made a motion to defer this until all of council is present.
The Mayor had to actually ask if everyone understood what they voted on. Councillor Pouget seconded the motion for deferral. Councillor Courtney felt the wording for the motion was bad.
The deferral was a tie vote again, so it failed.
Councillor Lavigne mentions that Councillor Fryer should make his motion again. The Mayor said he was looking for a motion but make it simple, one line at a time. Councillor Courtney said she had an issue only with the job of Roads and Fleet.
Then Councillor Fryer made a motion to NOT concur with #9 the Roads & Fleet Manager, seconded by Councillor Pouget.
Once again, there was a 3-3 tie so the motion failed.
Then, there was a motion to approve items 1-8 for Public works, and that carried.
Mr Rousseau, the Treasurer said he was removing the $113,000 from the budget but the computer was updating so it would be a few minutes to get the new rate. The Mayor explained that the Roads and Fleet position was never there, so it’s still not there. Councillor Fryer asked for the new rate. I guess he missed the part about the computer updating…..
The confusion was all over the place. I looked at a friend and asked “Who’s on first?” It seemed appropriate.
Then, council called for a 5 minute break.
So 14 minutes later, they resumed the meeting. I guess it took 14 minutes for everyone to figure out which end was up.
Capital Budget
Councillor Lavigne said that he didn’t see anything in the capital budget to adjust, so he made a motion to accept it as is. Councillor Fryer seconded.
The Fire Chief gave an explanation about some equipment, but it didn’t change the numbers, so it was all good.
I noticed that council had new big papers, with the budget lines on them, in colour. Councillor Pouget kept referring to them, but I didn’t have a copy, just the electronic copy on the overhead projector.
Councillor Pouget questioned an $80,000 Branding item in the capital budget.
Ms Ibrahim spoke and explained how this was a town-wide image enhancement. (Is $80,000 enough??? LOL just kidding) She explained that a marketing plan is needed and branding is necessary for our strategic plan. She explained how other communities have attractive tourism branding. At the moment, the first hits for Amherstburg on the internet are council meetings, notices about moved garbage days, fog advisories etc……(Yikes…..do we really want council meetings being the first hit? boring…..) She mentioned that these are not good first hits, does not present a good image and that it’s not “sexy”. (Yep, couldn’t agree more….definitely nothing sexy about council meetings LOL.) Councillor Fryer pointed out our outdated signs to the town’s entrance.
Councillor Pouget then questioned about why the brick sidewalks were being replaced with pavement again, within the budget. Administration said that they’re looking at doing Crown Ridge next since the sidewalks are narrow, and very up and down.
So finally, it went to a vote. Council removed Belle Vue from the vote, and it all carried. (Coucillors Pouget and Lavigne have a conflict with Belle Vue). The two line items for Belle Vue carried easily.
And there we sat…..almost 7:15 and it was over. The confusion, the exhaustion, the wonderment, was all over.
The Treasurer announced that the mill rate was officially .83%. Councillor Fryer pointed out that 8 of the positions were approved and the the increase was under 1%. (I’m not sure 8 positions were approved may have been 7, maybe 6……too tired to go back and count them up….)
The two levies each went up .75%……so grand total 2.33%.
To those of you who managed to make it to the end of this…..I hope it made sense, even a little bit of sense…..I tried desperately to make sense of the confusion, the chaos…..we laughed, we cried…..well mostly, we cried…..okay, I cried…..tears of confusion, but not hysteria. Okay, I didn’t literally cry. Oh wait, I did cry from laughter on Tuesday night. I guess that’s good right? On the upside, this is council’s very first budget in four years that was debated on time and should be in place for January 1. Do you think it’s because they were voting themselves a raise?