Tonight’s meeting lasted a little over an hour and a half. That was a good sign. The lady sitting near me brought a chair pad to sit on. Smart lady. I should watch and learn. The overall theme of the evening was confusion, or at least it ended on that note.
DELEGATIONS Belle Vue Conservancy Roles and Planned Activities – Shirley Curson Prue, President, Belle Vue Conservancy
Councillor Pouget had declared a conflict on this issue at the beginning of the meeting and did not participate in the discussion, nor vote. Councillor Lavigne asked the CAO if it were really necessary for himself to declare a conflict and the CAO appeared to tell him that no, it wasn’t. So, he didn’t.
Mrs Prue explained how the new organisation named the Belle Vue Conservancy is taking over from previous groups to form a committee to oversee fundraising efforts and provide steering for priorities to do with the acquisition of the Belle Vue property. The Conservancy is looking to have a close relationship and partnership with the town and was asking council to receive their request and also to direct administration to move forward with defining the roles and responsibilities of all involved.
Councillor Courtney questioned the role of the committee. Would they be a committee of council or an ad hock committee? CAO Miceli explained that they will hold the role of stakeholder and would not be a committee of council. (How many more committees of council could we need?) Council continued to ask questions and the CAO continued to explain that administration needs to define the roles of all involved. CAO Miceli said that the Conservancy would be a group of stakeholders but council still remains the decision-making body. Councillor Fryer asked that Belle Vue be added as a line item in the upcoming 2017 budget. The CAO explained that all donations for Belle Vue will come through the town and the town would control the money. The Conservancy would advocate for what needs to be done, for example, windows as a priority item.
Finally, the motion carried giving administration direction to provide the roles and responsibilities of all involved.
Another person had requested a last minute delegation earlier in the day. Council accepted to allow him to speak.
Mr. Ron Renaud from Waterbee Pools
Mr. Renaud spoke about his concerns regarding the new sign by-law. He feels that council should be supporting small businesses since they are tax payers. He said he thinks the signs are important to help the businesses bottom line. He asked if people really and truly turn around and leave town when they see these signs? (I highly doubt it.) He again reiterated that council should be helping to promote business and that this new by-law amendment just does not make sense.
He used a saying that I liked. (I hope I got it right.) He said that a business without signs is a sign of a no business.
Mr. Renaud said that he has a portable sign that he keeps on a piece of property that he owns in town, however, he does not run his business from this piece of property. With this new by-law, well, it means, no sign for you. (Did you just hear no soup for you? lol)
Hang on for the ride during the all over the place discussion. Here it is:
Councillor Meloche spoke of the importance of small business and that they are vital to the economy. He cited some statistics from a manual from the Ontario Chamber of Commerce. He felt that the town should be working with small business, not against them. Councillor Fryer asked if Mr. Renaud’s sign would still be allowed on his property. Councillor Fryer was also the first to mention Communities in Bloom and their ultimate importance to our community. (While I value winning beautification awards, I also value that our small businesses need to make a living and are tax payers too.) Anyway, administration confirmed that the only portable signs permitted are on the lots where the service or business exists. (So, once again Mr. Renaud, no sign for you!) Councillor Pouget then spoke and said they’ve been dealing with this issue for 2 and a half years. Again, she cited hearing from the Communities in Bloom and said she’s received numerous complaints. She said that the majority of Amherstburg residents are in favour of eliminating these signs and that for these reasons she would be supporting this by-law. (I was at the public meeting and I can’t say that I agree. I also read the many, various comments at the end of the report. I would venture a guess that the majority of Amherstburg residents don’t really care either way about the signs, but that’s my opinion. What do I know? I’m just a blogger who likes to sit on the world’s most uncomfortable chair every week or two.) Councillor Lavigne agreed with Councillor Pouget and said that other towns are trying to limit the sign pollution. He said he understands small business but that the local BIA’s in those areas support the elimination of the signs. (I believe the BIA is a business organisation that the business owners are mandated to pay a fee to. We don’t have one in Amherstburg.) Then Councillor Fryer began to question the Chamber of Commerce permanent signs that are at the gateway of town, that have some businesses advertised on them. Administration said that those signs were approved by council previously. Councillor Fryer felt that none of those businesses will be affected by this new by-law but Mr Renaud will be. Administration, once again, clarified that they were discussing portable signs and that the Amherstburg Chamber of Commerce signs are not portable signs. (They look like pretty solid wood structures to me.)
Councillor Meloche spoke again that he is in favour of some form of regulation, but not this. He cited various court cases where it was judged to be a violation of the Charter of Freedom as it took away the opportunity to express oneself, via using signs to promote business. (Isn’t the Charter a beautiful thing? That’s what keeps me blogging. 😉 Well, that and the fame and glory. ) Councillor Meloche felt we should find a way to work with small business and pick a number and/or duration for the signs. Mr. Galvin, director of Engineering and Legislative Services, said that case law is all over the map on this issue. He mentioned that we’re not just dealing with aesthetics, but also safety, as he said that the signs cause distraction while driving. Councillor Pouget then said that she finds it disturbing that at this final hour, this issue is being debated. (Wasn’t the public consultation meeting just a few weeks ago?) She felt that Councillor Meloche had a chance to attend the meeting and make submissions and he did not. She then cited that the main reason is safety (funny, until someone else mentioned safety, all anyone else mentioned was Communities in Bloom and complaints, but, heck, who knows) and that she is voting for this by-law because of safety. Councillor Lavigne asked about the possibilities of the town being pursued legally about this. Mr Galvin said he can’t guarantee anything, some municipalities have been challenged and others haven’t. The councillors then went into a lengthy round about discussion about election signs. (I’m not even going there right now.) Obviously, this is a separate issue. Councillor Fryer then returned to discussing the Amherstburg Chamber of Commerce signs and said that some of the businesses advertised on there aren’t Amherstburg businesses. (Note to self, drive by the sign real slow tomorrow and read them all.) He also asked for a recorded vote. (I couldn’t help but ponder….council sure listened to the farmers about the tree by-law, yet seemed to disregard the small business owners about the sign by-law…..I wonder why?)
The motion was to amend the by-law as stated. (i.e. no more portable signs off-site of the property)
In support : Councillor Courtney, Deputy Mayor DiPasquale, Councillor Fryer, Councillor Lavigne, Councillor Pouget and Mayor DiCarlo
Not support : Councillor Meloche
There you have it Amherstburg. No signs for you!
Councillor Fryer then made a quick motion (I sort of half missed it) something about looking into the Amherstburg Chamber of Commerce signs. That flew through.
Amending Development Agreement for 680 Front Road South, Blue Haven Apartments
Councillor Pouget declared a conflict on this issue.
There were a few changes made to the site agreement for the improvements at the Blue Haven Apartments. At first, council didn’t seem too pleased about this, but once the owner explained that the changes really were minor in nature, everybody seemed to be okay with it.
In all honesty, the rest of the items sailed through. There were a lot of items, but little to no discussion on most. Until……
NOTICE OF MOTION Deputy Mayor DiPasquale – Reconsideration of Motion from September 26, 2016 – Legal Roster
Okay. I didn’t know what this about at the beginning and I feel like I knew even less at the end. Deputy Mayor DiPasquale said that it was a busy evening when they voted on this and that he missed the vote on this issue. He thinks somebody else did too. He wanted reconsideration to have a legal roster. He said that Councillor Pouget pointed out his mistake to him.
So, it carries.
Councillor Meloche wanted clarification. The Mayor said there is currently no motion. Councillor Meloche asked if they were going back to what they originally approved. It was something about a motion to have an RFP on legal firms and cycling through using various firms. So, Councillor Lavigne moved the previous motion of the motion that they had before. (Ya, you don’t get that? Me neither. This was just the beginning.) Councillor Lavigne said he thinks he remembers and he thinks we have this but we’re not using them fairly and equally and is it based on need or speciality. (I’m going out on a limb here…..so confused….I think they wanted to have a list of pre-approved law firms to use to save money, but I really don’t know. Everyone just kept talking about “the motion”, yet never specified what “the motion” was….) The CAO explained how each law firm has expertise in different areas. One firm they use frequently has expertise in Human Resources, another in real estate and another with policies. Then Councillor Lavigne said he would probably not support the motion of the motion that he made because he was concerned with a technicality. (I was just concerned to figure out what they heck they were talking about. I was starting to think “the motion” was code for …..goodness only knows….so weird.) The CAO explained that he vets everything through Mr. Galvin, the Director of Engineering and Legislative Services before he goes to an outside firm. CAO Miceli pointed out that this year, legal fees are way down. (I can attest to that, I check them too. lol) CAO Miceli cited that they even reduced the budgeted amount for legal fees this year and they are down significantly compared to what was projected. (I have a couple of theories why……one…..council has slowed down on getting involved in things they ought not to be involved in, which has positively impacted the legal fees…..two…..we hired a lawyer, and well, enough said, we hired a lawyer….). Councillor Lavigne then questioned legal fees being down. The CAO confirmed, again, they are down significantly. Councillor Pouget said she keeps hearing that the fees are outrageous and that’s why this was raised, that it was not because of legal fees but because of 2 administrators. The Mayor said he was confused. (Ya, you and me both. And every one else in the room.) Then, out of left field, Councillor Lavigne withdraws his motion of the motion.
Ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom, meeting adjourned. Pure what the heck just happened?
So there it is Amherstburg. No soup for you. No signs for you. No motion for you. No lawyer for you. No seat cushion for you.